7.5hp demonstration

[dc2 man]

FG ELCON BEETLE
CAD POWER MADNESS! :boxing:

first run with new shell.the dog was lucky to survive this hah!

VID:
http://www.vimeo.com/9642957

[dc2 man]

forgot to mention i changed clutch before this video also,better bite in the new shoes.

i always use cy hard shoes with 8000rpm spring (blue)

[Pipeous]

Wheely madness... and yup the dog was dancing with danger there hehe

[dc2 man]

haha

i must admit half way through the vid i was going to mess around and chase the dog but i was afraid i would hit him,and boy this thing would hurt bad....:rifle:

[Croozer]

I would like to see a dyno graph on a 7.5 hp engine.

[TMRperformance]

I would like to see a dyno graph on a 7.5 hp engine.

based on its performance and sound i can say that my guess on hp would be around 4.5hp.. despite how heavy that fg is, it should still be alot more impressive.... ive seen 6.5hp engines an 1/4 scales that run and sound much more aggressive. i must say that this is one of the main reasons i have purchased a dyno. i have seen many companies over rate their engines, one off the top of my head other than this one is the modellsport m1 rated between 7.2-7.4hp...... in the boat world where most of the big power is made, the heavy hitting zen guys are making around 6.4hp, and water cooled makes more power period! i know that the us industry standard for hp is different than those of other countries, maybe thats where the confusion lies? im not sure....
i do have an m1 scheduled to go on my dyno and im looking forward to putting that hp claim to rest..

[dc2 man]

tmr

not being smart,this was a ONE OFF engine and YES it is 7.5hp.
it cost my girlfriend 800euros....the engine is completly blueprinted and the porting is serious...

trust me it goes like a 10hp lol

i think we have had this discussion before and i explained all about it.

the basic engines are listed here on his webpage,the best one you can get from him to date is 500euro G260.

mine was a one off from him of the G270 version,not anymore available anymore.

a stock G270 4bolt puts out 4.5 so thats an insult for this engine

this fella takes r/c stuff to the extremes,check out the complete 4x4 alloyed onroad car on his homepage.

http://www.xandi-modellbau.de/

[TMRperformance]

tmr

not being smart,this was a ONE OFF engine and YES it is 7.5hp.
it cost my girlfriend 800euros....the engine is completly blueprinted and the porting is serious...

trust me it goes like a 10hp lol

i think we have had this discussion before and i explained all about it.

the basic engines are listed here on his webpage,the best one you can get from him to date is 500euro G260.

mine was a one off from him of the G270 version,not anymore available anymore.

a stock G270 4bolt puts out 4.5 so thats an insult for this engine

this fella takes r/c stuff to the extremes,check out the complete 4x4 alloyed onroad car on his homepage.

http://www.xandi-modellbau.de/



the stock 270 does NOT put out 4.5hp!!! the zen 36mm top end on 270 cases doesnt even make 4.5 hp!

[Merlin]

Stock Zen 4 bolt G270 makes 3 HP. I doubt this engine is 7.5 HP. It goes well, but not 7.5 HP well. Dyno results are definately needed. I would guse somewere around the 5-6hp range.

http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.4978/.f

[dc2 man]

guys,the stock G270 @ a guess from me i was thinking around 4 to 4.5 with a decent tuned pipe and 813 carb.

im telling you as the saying goes you get what you pay for,this cad engine cost 800euros last year,hobbythek are great with there informations,i was told above oddified red top engine.

this guy won major titles with his tuned engines around europe for years in the 1/5th championships.

this guy is a BIG tuner name in germany

[dc2 man]

here is the spec sheet that came with it,


The new Cad-Power generation, based on Zenoah G240/270 engines.

The Cad-Power engines are hand built and modified. Years of experience guarantee for strong and reliable engines. They feature a flat torque curve and low fuel consumption. All engines are tested after modification. After successfully completing the test run the engines are shipped with a test certificate.

Tuning modifications:
- lightened and relieved piston
- cylinder bottom machined for increased compression
- ports modified and blueprinted
- intake and exhaust ports are optimized
- timing of all transfer ports is modified
- cylinder gasket installed with elastic sealant
- tuning isolator installed
- crankshaft is modified and optimized
- crank case is blueprinted, modified and optimized
- extensive cad machining further carried out to insure optimum porting to all key areas
- windowed piston
- balanced crankshaft


further mods by myself
jetpro v2 pipe (silensed)
walbro 813 chokless carb

[Merlin]

Post the dyno results up and silence us all :) i would love to see some, and IF it is 7.5hp, the guys a genius. As long as you are happy with the engine thats all that matters :D He should have some dyno results definately though!

[Pipeous]

nobody ever rates anything the same in the world as there is no standard testing format. numbers are just numbers. even hp ratings are not going to be a fair comparison unless all companies used the same dyno and compared hp at the same rpms, torque curves etc etc etc

example outside of rc. a marshall guitar amp... a 50 watt marshall will kick on most any other company 100 watt amp. some companies turn it full volume, turn it on and read the number.. yup we distorted out 100 amps so it's 100 amps.

in nitro motors, the good brands don't even list a hp rating and say they won't because there is no standard of testing. just rpm ranges because it is something they can test.

so Dan, if you enjoy the motor and such, then it's all good. don't provoke or get goaded into an argument about it, because end of the day nobody can prove or disprove any claims of horsepower and they are just a subjective number people toss out

[mooman007uk]

+1 Barry, I've always had a problem with dyno figures on these small engines and have stated as such before...i've heard figures of just over 7hp for my OBR 27.2 with vrc pro but take it with a pinch of salt cos I don't believe these motors are making that much true HP, it's also why Sean doesn't post up dyno printouts anymore...too much controversy

Also it seems each small engine dyno gives out different figures depending on their brake system and computer programme.
These dynos i reckon are best used only for comparison purposes from engine to engine on the same machine...side by side one can then see which has the highest HP irrespective of the figures thrown out and shows where in the rpm range it's made as well as the torque and shape of the curve in relation to revs etc.

Consider nitro engines that claim 3-4 hp...not a bleedin chance...it's not a real world tested figure but a theoretical, extrapolated one...what sort of gearing would you need to raise 33000lb 100ft in one minute:surprise: with a STS.30???

So irrespective of dyno print outs I'm still wary of the figures and cost is totally irrelevant, yep it makes decent power and you're happy with it which is the main thing but just be wary of stated figures.

I've found that rarely in this world being expensive does not make it the best...more often than not you're paying for a name...is a hand tailored $5000 gucci suit so much better than a hand tailored suit from Moores that cost 1/4 of the price...nope, your paying for the name and unless you tell people what you're wearing they wouldn't know the difference.


just my opinion

[TMRperformance]

guys,the stock G270 @ a guess from me i was thinking around 4 to 4.5 with a decent tuned pipe and 813 carb.

im telling you as the saying goes you get what you pay for,this cad engine cost 800euros last year,hobbythek are great with there informations,i was told above oddified red top engine.

this guy won major titles with his tuned engines around europe for years in the 1/5th championships.

this guy is a BIG tuner name in germany

your not going to see 1-1.5 hp gains from a pipe and carb...

most dynos being of a brake water brake or inertia if calibrated correctly, should all read close to one another. example here in the states an engine from one engine builder which im not at liberty to say who but his engine came off the inertia dyno @ 5.5hp went to a brake dyno ( a friend of his) and it made 5.3hp, then went to another brake dyno that was manipulated to get better results and it made 6.5hp.... here in the states there is an industry standard for hp and tq, so if your dyno is calibrated correctly and you are using those parameters you will get accurate readings and hp claims..

here is a link on how not run a dyno!! this is how we get false #'s , look how long he runs this pull!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGWqKPCaCeY

[Clubin]

Damn he tortured that thing for over one minute. Yikes!

[dc2 man]

Ok just to settle this for once and for all i will get and show the dyno sheet that came with it.

say for example you could achieve 4hp with a good stock engine like a ZEN 4 bolt G270 with tuned pipe carb etc etc

now surley 3.5 more should be obtainable from this fully modified/blueprinted motor.........MOST CERTAINLY.........

im not going to argue about it,its no big deal about hp figures......

but i am going to argue that i believe i got what i paid for and CAD is that.....

check out the following work carried out by some other tuners.

AND THESE ARE NO CAD SPEC ENGINES!
my point is the following are just a bunch of regular boat engine tuners,its all about measurements and tollerences to get the optimum tune up.

thats why this cad engine is so special,its the most powerful i was told in germany available,its blueprinted and machined to EXACT tollerences,thats what produces the power at the end of the day.any tuner will agree.





like i say the following figures are from regular boat tuners etc etc


2 STROKE PROGRAM



Use this Program on all of the following engines:

Zenoah, Sikk, RCMK and Chung Yang

You can apply the same techniques to other Two Stroke Engines



This Program is your 'little secret' to stay ahead of the pack and winning races!



This program works with Microsoft Office Excel found in Microsoft Office 97 or 2003 that is on your computer allows you to find all the parameters exhaust, transfer, induction timings ect. that are from simple measurements that you take....

PLUS MORE!

Modifying an engine to have more power AND have good throttling and torque is not easy,

however this program will help you accomplish that goal.



This Program is a must have for the DIY Sport Boater and For those that Heat Race!





Below is some examples of the program results:



SIKK 27CC 6.7 HP



CY 29cc Car Engine 6.9 HP



Zenoah G270RC 6.7 HP



Zenoah 230cc PUM 5.2 HP



RCMK R254 6.9 HP



Zenoah 26cc PUM Engine 7+ HP and run like a scalding DOG!



All modifications with Good Throttle Response on Regular Fuel!!!



You input all the measurements from your engine, based on measurements that you take.

After you input the information into the program, then everything is displayed.

Then you follow the detailed text and pictures showing what can be done to improve the engine.



This program is suitable for experts and beginners.

and is very easy to use.





This Two-Stroke Modifying Kit Includes:

*
Two-Stroke Program and step by step instructions including diagrams and pictures.

You need to input some basic engine dimensions and simple measurements and the program calculates and lists duration, blowdown, geometric and trapped compression ratio, ect. You will see the effect on port timings and compression ratio of changing the exhaust timing and after removing or adding base gaskets.

*
Complete kit of parts for measuring head volume and parts needed to show squish clearance.
*
Full instructions on how to modify your engine for more power and better throttling.
*
Full instructions on how to fix that engine you have modified.

*
PLUS! There is the stock 23cc, 26cc, 27cc, 29cc, 31cc and 35cc engines with all the inputs

and



Modified 26cc, 27cc, 29cc and 31cc engines shown in the software!





EXTRA BONUS!

Detailed tips that will increase the power of any two-stroke engine

from

r/c, motorcycles to outboard engines!

More than that feeling in the pants if you are riding in it or on it!





If you want your Cylinder / Engine Modified Contact us at: Performance.Unlimited@hotmail.com



Go to youtube.com and check out the cats and mono using the modified Zenoah..

Click or Paste the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/PerformanceUnlmtd

www.PerformanceUnlimitedProducts.com

Official PayPal Seal

[Pipeous]

That was too long to even read it all LOL

[Clubin]

That was too long to even read it all LOL
Don't feel bad, I didn't read it all either. But it is there if I feel like it. Krap that'd take me 2 hours to read. LOL

[Pipeous]

I asked Advance Hobbies about getting a motor. They had the Solo 2000, which is the tuned version of the Solo, like mine. Only $900 cdn!!. They did offer it to me at a discount for Christmas but man oh man

[TMRperformance]

as far as that whole writeup all i can say is DONT ALWAYS BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ.......
how many times have you read about a product that was supposed to be simply the best and turned out it was a flop???? it happens all the time and thats the hype i just dont pay no mind to.. if that program was so legit, how come all of us engine builders including TREVOR SIMPSON, dont have everyone of our engines making those big hp #'s?????????

its all about marketing!! and it doesnt matter how much $$$ was spent on an engine, that doesnt mean it makes big power...

i do engines for stock class racing and they arent cheap at all, but they also dont make crazy power due to the limitations for a stock class engine... end result, alot of $$$ for a little gain...

[Croozer]

This is a CC Racing Engines 26cc Zen hitting 104 mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy8x7iwaAo8&feature=player_embedded

[Tüftel]

Hi,

I have a homemade Dyno. A G270 with stock exhaust puts arround 2,5HP. With a Lot of work i made a Reso-Pipe that puts 3,5hp out of the engine (+1HP). With a jetpro pipe for fg stadium its arround 3hp with a bad torque curve.
I spend so much time in tune this g270 engine. 4hp was the end of the result. Perhaps with A LOT know how you can get little more than REAL 4hp.

An right, a correct calibrated dyno is very important. I made this for myself and im sure that all is correct.
If a dyno puts 5hp out of an stock engine with stock exhaust it is terrible calibrated! I know that some dynos (from one i know sure) put out the wrong results! One put nearly the double Power of my dyno...

A 3,5HP Engine in a 10-12Kg rc model is a lot of Power!
A 7HP Engine... Dont Know how to do this with 4 Ports. I think this isnt possible with this cylinder.

And sorry for my bad english, im from germany.


Nice Greetings, Timo